61. Conversation of Supreme God Kabir with Kaal | Way of Living

Conversation of Supreme God Kabir with Kaal (Way of Living)

Now we are living in Kaal Brahm’s lok. Kaal has made living beings by adding layers of bodies e.g. material body etc on the soul. He has misled the living beings. He has made them forget the Complete God who is the father of the soul. He has proved himself to be God. He tortures the soul which is a part of God, so that God becomes distressed. He stays in the form of man (mind) with every soul. He makes one commit a mistake and the punishment is borne by the soul. For instance, making one addicted to intoxicants like alcohol etc, making one rape someone and making one commit other sins. Kaal makes a person perform all these wrongdoings by the inspiration of man. When you will take initiation from the author (Sant Rampal), then it will move straight because then the power of God starts remaining with the soul. The soul becomes prudent by gaining Tatvgyan. With the power of God, the soul becomes strong. Kaal Brahm is only scared of God Kabir. Sant Garibdas ji has stated: -

Kaal darae Kartaar se, jai-jai-jai Jagdish |
Jaura Jodi jhaadta, pag raj daarey sheesh ||

Garib, Kaal jo peesey peesna, jaura hai panihaar |
Ye do asal majdoor hain, Satguru Kabir ke darbaar ||

            The meaning is clear. God Kabir Ji is trying to rescue our soul from the web of Kaal. Kaal Brahm tries to entrap us. It is clearly evident in the description ahead.

When the Supreme God created all the brahmands (universes) and took rest in His Lok (place), after that we all while living in Kaal’s brahmand started experiencing the punishment of the deeds done by us and started remaining very distressed. We started wandering in search of happiness and peace, and started missing our home Satlok, and commenced bhakti to go there.

Someone learnt all the Vedas by heart; someone started practising fierce tap (austerity) and started activities like hawan yagya (sacrificial ceremony), dhyaan, Samadhi (meditation) etc, but could not go to our real home Satlok because by doing the aforesaid activities, after attaining good and prosperous lives in next births (like, king - great king, a big businessman, official, god - great god, Heaven - Great Heaven etc), we started going in the cycle of 84 lakh births of various living beings. We started remaining very distressed and started requesting to the Supreme Father God that – ‘O Kind God! Show us the path to our home. We do your bhakti wholeheartedly. Why are you not appearing before us?’

Narrating this account to Dharmdas ji, God Kabir said that – Dharmdas, on hearing the calls of these living beings, I, adopting the appearance of Jogjit, came from my Satlok to Kaal Lok. At that time in the twenty-first brahmand, where Kaal has his own house, the living beings were being roasted on the Taptshila (hot rock) and the grime from their immaterial bodies was being taken out. On my arrival, the burning of the living beings ended. On seeing me, they said, “O Purush (God)! Who are you? Just by having a sight of you, we are feeling a lot of comfort and peace.” Then I told them, “I am PaarBrahm Supreme God Kabir. You all living beings have come from my Lok and become trapped in Kaal Brahm’s Lok. Every day this Kaal takes out the grime from the immaterial bodies of one lakh human beings and eats it, and then later leaves them to bear the punishment in different kinds of births.” Then those souls said, “O Kind Supreme God! Please rescue us from the jail of this Kaal.” I told them, “Kaal has obtained these brahmands from me by doing bhakti three times. And all these things which you are using here are that of Kaal, and you all have come to roam here at your own will. Therefore, now you have a lot of debt of Kaal on you and it cannot be paid off without the jaap of my true (sacha) naam. Until you become free from debt, you cannot go out of Kaal Brahm’s jail. For this, you will have to do bhakti by taking naam-updesh (initiation) from me. Then I will rescue you and take you with me.”

As we were discussing this, Kaal Brahm appeared there and he attacked me furiously. I made him unconscious by my word power. Then he regained consciousness after some time. He fell at my feet and started begging, and said, “You are elder to me, have some mercy on me, and tell me why you have come to my lok.” Then I told Kaal Purush, “Some souls want to return to their actual home Satlok by doing bhakti. They are not finding the path of true bhakti. Therefore even after doing bhakti, they remain in this lok only. I have come to guide them the path of true bhakti and to disclose your secret that you are Kaal; you eat one lakh human beings and produce a lakh and a quarter human beings, and you have become God. I will tell them that he, whose bhakti you do, is not God; he is Kaal.” On hearing this, Kaal said, “If all the souls will return to Satlok, then what will happen to my food? I will starve. It is my request to you to take few souls in the three yugas and to not disclose my secret to everyone that I am Kaal; I eat everyone. When Kaliyug comes, take as many souls as you wish.” Kaal took these promises from me. God Kabir further said to Dharmdas that – ‘I had also come in Satyug, Tretayug and Dwaparyug, and took many souls to Satlok, but did not disclose his secret. Now I have come in Kaliyug and I have had a conversation with Kaal. Kaal Brahm said to me – ‘Now no matter how hard you try, nobody will listen to you. Firstly, I have not left any living being worthy of doing bhakti. I have spoilt their conduct by instilling bad habits of smoking bidi - cigarette, drinking alcohol and eating meat etc in them. I have engaged the living beings in different types of pretentious ways of worship. Secondly, when after imparting your knowledge, you will return to your Lok, I (Kaal) will send my messengers and starting twelve Panths (sects) similar to your Panth, I will mislead the living beings. They will sing the glory of Satlok, will narrate the knowledge given by you, but will recite my naam (mantra). As a result of which, they will become my food only.’ On hearing this, God Kabir said that – you try your ways; I will go back only after telling the true path (way of worship) and he/she, who will listen to my knowledge, will never be misled by you.

 Satguru God Kabir said that – ‘O Niranjan! If I wish, I can end your whole game in a moment, but by doing this I break my promise. Thinking this, I, imparting true knowledge to my beloved hans (souls) and granting them the power of Shabd, will take them to Satlok’, and He said that —

Kaho Kabir Suno Dharmraya, hum sankhon hansa pad parsaaya |
Jin linha humra prvana, so hansa hum kiye amaana ||

(In Holy Kabir Sagar, Kaal’s description of different ways of putting the living beings in a maze and of satisfying his hunger)

Dwadas panth karun main saaja, naam tumhara le karun avaaja ||
Dwadas yam sansaar pathaho, naam tumhaare panth chalaeho ||
Pratham doot mm prgate jaai, peechhe ansh tumhara aai ||
Yahi vidhi jeevanko bhrmaaun, Purush naam jeevan samjhaaun ||
Dwadas panth naam jo laehe, so humre mukh aan samae hae ||
Kaha tumhara jeev nahin maane, humaari or hoy baad bakhaanae ||
Main drid fanda rachi banaai, jaamein jeev rahey urjhaai ||
Deval Dev paashaan poojaai, teerth vrat jap-tap man laai ||
Yagya hom aru nem achaara, aur anek fand mein daara ||
Jo gyaani jaao sansaara, jeev na maanae kaha tumhaara ||

(Satguru Vachan) - Statement of Satguru

Gyaani kahey suno anyaai, kaato fand jeev le jaai ||
Jetik fand tum rachey vichaari, satya shabad tae sabae bindaari ||
Jaun jeev hum shabd dridaavae, fand tumhara sakal mukaavae ||
Chauka kar prvaana paai, purush naam tihi deoon chinhaai ||
Taake nikat Kaal nahin aavae, sandhi dekhi taakahn sir naavae ||

It is evident from the above-mentioned description that the various sects (Panths), which are prevalent and which do not have the path of true bhakti as told by God Kabir, are all inspired by Kaal. Therefore, a wise man should adopt a path of bhakti after in-depth consideration because a human life is invaluable, and one does not get it again and again. God Kabir says that —

Kabir maanush janm durlabh hai, miley na barambar |
Taruvar se patta toot girey, bahur na lagta daar ||

FAQs about "Conversation of Supreme God Kabir with Kaal"

Q.1 Why is it crucial to make a careful choice when embarking on the path of bhakti?

Choosing a path of bhakti carefully is vital because human life is a priceless gift from God, and making an erroneous choice in one's approach to worship can result in the squandering of this invaluable human life. Hence, it is essential to wisely select the right way of worship by seeking initiation from an authentic Guru.

Q.2 Who is Kaal Brahm, and what role does he play?

Kaal Brahm is the supreme controller of the 21 universes and the father of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. His primary role is to mislead living beings and make them forget the Complete God, Kabir Ji. Kaal subjects souls to suffering and distress, and he resides in the form of the human mind (man), leading individuals into various sinful activities.

Q. 3 What is the significance of receiving initiation from a complete Guru?

According to the Suksham Vedas, receiving initiation from a complete Guru endows the soul with the power of God, imparts profound spiritual knowledge (Tatvgyan), and equips the soul to overcome the obstacles orchestrated by Kaal Brahm. This initiation paves the way for the soul's liberation, marking the end of the cycle of birth and death.

Q.4 Who is God Kabir, and what is His role?

God Kabir, often perceived as a poet, saint, or weaver, is, in reality, the Supreme God Himself. His role is to rescue souls from the clutches of Kaal and guide them along the path of genuine bhakti or worship. He serves as the savior for those seeking their return to Satlok, their original abode.

Q.5 How does Kaal exert control over souls?

Kaal exercises control over souls by instilling negative habits in them, such as smoking, drinking alcohol, and consuming meat. He also leads them towards insincere forms of worship that lack true spiritual benefits.

Q.6 Why does Kaal Brahm conceal his true identity?

Kaal has made a promise not to reveal his identity as the one who consumes human beings. If people were aware that Kaal is responsible for birth, death, and the suffering on Earth and that he consumes souls after death, they would refrain from worshiping him. Instead, they would seek salvation and embrace the knowledge of God Kabir Ji. Thus, Kaal refrains from disclosing his true identity.

Q.7 How does God Kabir plan to liberate souls from Kaal's influence?

God Kabir's plan involves imparting genuine knowledge to souls, bestowing upon them the power of the true Mantra, and leading them to Satlok by guiding them along the path of authentic bhakti. He has chosen Kalyug as the opportune time for the salvation of souls.

Q.8 What are the consequences of following sects influenced by Kaal?

Following sects inspired by Kaal leads individuals away from the true path of bhakti as directed by God Kabir. Such sects do not offer any spiritual benefits, and they cannot free the soul from Kaal's influence. Salvation cannot be attained under their guidance.


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Kamlesh Bhardwaj

Kaal is believed to be the messenger of Shivji, and Shiv Ji is also known as Mahakaal. The article's content doesn't fully align with my beliefs because I attribute everything to the grace of Almighty God Shivji. Death is a natural process, and everyone must face it someday, so there's no need to fear it.

Satlok Ashram

Dear reader, we value your perspective on our article. Indeed, everyone eventually faces death, but the fear of death is universal, indicating that people do not readily embrace it. Additionally, the identity of God Shiva Ji as Mahakaal is a point of contention because Mahakaal is the father of Shiv Ji. According to our holy scriptures like Devi Puran, Shivji is also subject to the cycle of birth and death. To gain a deeper understanding of spiritual knowledge and the identity of the immortal God who can liberate us from the cycle of birth and death, we encourage you to explore the spiritual discourses of Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj and read the book "Jeene Ki Raah."

Sudhir Chaudhary

There are numerous sects associated with Kabir Sahib Ji worldwide, including Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj's sect dedicated to Kabir Sahib Ji. We can also argue that Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj is running Kaal's sect. I am part of the lineage of Dharamdas Ji, who had a close association with Kabir Sahib Ji. Therefore, I find this lineage to be trustworthy, and I believe it will lead me to salvation.

Satlok Ashram

Dear Sudhir, we appreciate your engagement with our article. If you delve into the teachings of Kabir Sagar, you will discover that only a few lineages of Dharamdas Ji preserve the true way of worship, and later they deviate from it. Presently, the lineage of Dharamdas Ji has lost the correct way of worship, as per Kabir Sagar. Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj is considered to be the torchbearer of the genuine path of Kabir Sahib Ji, and His followers have experienced its benefits as well. Various shreds of proof support Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj as the foremost Guru of our time. We kindly urge you to explore this knowledge further by listening to Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj's spiritual discourses and reading the book "Jeene Ki Rah."