Spiritual Discussion - Sant Rampal Ji & Arya Samaj Chiefs


Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj Ji has proved from the Vedas that the ideas about God held by the people of Arya Samaj, who believe the Vedas to be true, do not match with the verses given in Vedas at all. Here are some points to ponder.

Is God in form or not?

According to Arya Samaj, God is formless. The founder of Arya Samaj, Maharshi Dayanand Saraswati has denied the existence of god in form. Whereas according to Saint Rampal ji, God is corporeal and is like a king according to the scriptures. There is evidence in Mantra 1 of Rigved Mandal No. 9 Sukt 82, Yajurved adhyay 5 mantra 1, Atharv Ved, Kaand no. 4 Anuvaad no.1 Mantra no. 7, Rigved, Mandal 9, Sukt 96, Mantra 18, Yajurved Adhyay 5 Mantra 32 that God is not formless. Hence God is not formless, in fact, He created humans in His own image.

Where does God live?

According to the ideas of Arya Samaj, God does not reside at any one place whereas Saint Rampal Ji proved that God resides at the divine place satlok, the ultimate heaven which is different from common heavens. It is self-illuminated and indestructible. Believing that God is formless is like believing that the sun gives us light but it's formless, which is impossible. 

Rigved Mandal 9 Sukt 96 Mantra 18, Rigved Mandal 9 Sukt 94 Mantra 2, Rigved Mandal 10 Sukt 90 Mantra 16, Rigved Mandal No. 9 Sukt 96 Mantra 17 to 20 also authenticate this. According to  Atharvaved Kaand no. 4 Anuvaka no. 1, mantra no 7, the name of God is Kabir (Kavirdev).

Does God forgive the sins?

The founder of the Arya Samaj Maharshi Dayanand Saraswati claims that God cannot forgive one's sins. One has to bear his deeds. But Saint Rampal ji Maharaj has proved from Vedas only God Kabir is the destroyer of all the sins. He can also increase the lifespan of devotees. Yajurved Adhyay 8 Mantra 13 proves that God can forgive all kinds of sins. Rigved Mandal 9 Sukt 82 Mantra 1, 2 and 3, also prove that God can forgive sins.

What is the way of devotion?

Swami Dayanand Saraswati, the founder of Arya Samaj, emphasizes that devotion should be performed twice a day, in the morning and evening. The devotee should perform Havan Yagya. But there is no need to chant the naam because chanting does not help. Whereas Saint Rampal Ji says that there is evidence in Rigved Mandal 8 Sukt 1 Mantra 29 that God should be praised three times in the morning, afternoon and evening. It is written in Yajurved Adhyay 19 Mantra 25, 26 that a true guru will not only elaborate the incomplete sentences of Vedas but also impart worship of three times. The devotee should perform five Yagyas that are Dharm Yagya, Dhyan Yagya, Havan Yagya, Pranam Yagya and Gyan Yagya on a daily basis. 

Along with these, Saint Rampal ji gives the actual mantra of Om Tat Sat symbolised in Shrimad Bhagwat Geeta Chapter 17 Verse 23. Virtues are earned only by chanting these mantras. With such devotion happiness and salvation could be attained 

What are the texts as reference?

Satyarth Prakash written by Swami Dayanand ji is the main basis of knowledge and devotion of Arya Samaj which is claimed to be according to Vedas. The main basis of the Yatharth Kabir Panth (Kabir sect) proposed by Saint Rampal ji is Sukshm Ved. Sukshma Ved is the pious speech of respected Garibdas Ji Maharaj Ji (Sadhgranth Sahib) and the nectar speech of God Kabir Sahib Ji (Kabirsagar).

Apart from this, Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj also takes the Holy Four Vedas, Holy Shrimad Bhagwat Geeta, Holy Bible, Holy Quran, Holy Guru Granth Sahib and religious texts of all other religions as proof.

Who witnessed God?

People of Arya Samaj consider God to be formless. Therefore, no one can see God, no one can meet Him according to them. Whereas Saint Rampal ji proves from Mantra 26 of Rigved Mandal No. 9 Sukta 86 that God comes to earth by simplifying His form. He meets good souls. It is mentioned in Rigved Mandal 9 Sukt 82 Mantra 1,2 that the purpose of the incarnation of God is to preach Tatvgyan. According to His constitution, God has met Dharamdas Saheb ji, Garib Das ji, Nanak Dev ji, Sant Ghisa Das ji, Maluk Das ji and many other great souls. God Kabir showed them satlok and gave these souls Salvation. What those great souls witnessed in satlok through their eyes is written in their words and acts as proof.

What are the views about Intoxication?

Swami Dayanand Saraswati's views on the subject of drug addiction have also been written in the book Satyarth Prakash. When a person saw him smoking hookah, he asked him whether smoking hookah is written in the Vedas. Swamiji replied that smoking hookah is not prohibited in the Vedas. Apart from this, it is mentioned in his biography that Swamiji used to consume and smell tobacco too. He used to consume Bhang also. Still, many Arya Samajis smoke hookah and consume other intoxication. Here Saint Rampal ji Maharaj tells from Yajurved Adhyay 19 Mantra 30 that this is strictly prohibited for devotees. He also quotes Sukshma Veda that says-

Surapan madya mansaahari, gavan karai bhoge par nari।
Sattar janm katat hai sheesham, sakshi saheb hai jagdeesham।।

Madira peeve kadva Pani, Sattar janm swan ke jaji ।|

Sau nari jari karai, surapan sou baar।
Ek chilam hukkah bhare, doobe Kali dhar।।

That means a person who drinks alcohol gets punished in 70 rebirths as a dog. The one who opts for adultery with another woman suffers 70 births as a blind person. A person who consumes tobacco is considered a hundred times more guilty of this sin. Kabir Parmeshwar says that smoking hookah once is as sinful as the sin of having adultery a hundred times or drinking alcohol a hundred times. 

The followers of Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj do not consume any kind of intoxicant. The surprising thing is that all the Ved mantras which Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj uses as proof of the above facts, are translated by the founder of Arya Samaj, Maharishi Dayanand Ji and his followers. Hence the argument that Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj does not know Sanskrit is also not valid. We can say that due to lack of philosophical knowledge and Tatvgyan, Swami Dayanand Saraswati ji could not understand the Vedas well.

He performed devotion against the scriptures due to which he spent his last days in terrible pain. He died after being unwell for a long time. He has told the same way of worship against the scriptures to his followers. Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj explains the correct way of worship and the real mantras represented by “Om Tat Sat”. Today, the lives of millions of people have become prosperous due to His scripture-based devotion. Lakhs of ruined families have flourished and lakhs of people have stopped consuming intoxication. Freedom from the chronic disease of birth and death will be achieved only by doing this devotion preached by saint Rampal Ji Maharaj. Remaining disciplined throughout life and doing satbhakti according to the scriptures will lead to complete salvation. For more information, one can visit Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj YouTube channel.


FAQs : "Spiritual Discussion - Sant Rampal Ji & Arya Samaj Chiefs"

Q.1 How do the beliefs of Arya Samaj and Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj differ regarding the nature of God?

Arya Samaj believes God to be formless, whereas Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj asserts that God is corporeal, citing evidence from Vedic verses.

Q.2 Where do Arya Samaj and Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj believe God resides?

Arya Samaj maintains that God does not reside in any particular place, while Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj identifies satlok as God's divine abode, distinct from common heavens, supported by Vedic scriptures.

Q. 3 Do Arya Samaj and Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj agree on God's ability to forgive sins?

No, they do not. Arya Samaj, following Maharshi Dayanand Saraswati, suggests that God cannot forgive sins, whereas Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj asserts that God Kabir is the forgiver of sins, supported by Vedic verses.

Q.4 What are the prescribed practices of devotion according to Arya Samaj and Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj?

Arya Samaj emphasizes twice-daily devotion, particularly through Havan Yagya, while Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj advocates three-times daily praise along with five daily Yagyas and chanting specific mantras, supported by Vedic references.

Q.5 What texts serve as the basis for Arya Samaj's teachings, and what is the foundation of Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj's beliefs?

Arya Samaj derives its knowledge from texts like Satyarth Prakash by Swami Dayanand Saraswati, claimed to align with Vedas but their teachings are against Vedas, while Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj's teachings are rooted in Sukshm Ved and other religious texts.

Q.6 Do Arya Samaj and Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj agree on the possibility of witnessing God?

No, they do not. Arya Samaj asserts that God is formless and cannot be seen, while Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj proves by Vedic verses that God manifests in simplified form and has been witnessed by several revered souls throughout history.

Q.7 What are the differing views on intoxication between Arya Samaj and Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj?

While Arya Samaj does not explicitly prohibit intoxicants, with historical evidence of its founder consuming them, Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj strictly prohibits intoxicants, citing Vedic verses and the severe consequences outlined for those who indulge in them.


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Swayam Agnihotri

Arya Samaj is one of the purest societies in India, laying the foundation of Vedas and providing translations that were previously inaccessible to the common person. Therefore, we shouldn't question them as they have made significant contributions to Hindu society.

Satlok Ashram

Dear reader, we appreciate your perspective on our article. While it's true that Arya Samaj has translated the Vedas from Sanskrit, but their spiritual practices seem to deviate from the essence of the Vedas. In certain verses, Maharshi Dayanand appears to support the notion of a formless God, while in others, it's clear that he advocates for a God with form. This inconsistency raises concerns about manipulating the translations, which is inappropriate when dealing with the word of God. Our aim is to enlighten society with true spiritual knowledge and expose any misinformation by referring to our scriptures, which are intended for the welfare of society. For more insights, we recommend reading the book Gyan Ganga and listening to spiritual discourses by Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj available on various social media platforms.

Akshar Sharma

Although Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj has presented evidence questioning the knowledge of Maharshi Dayanand Ji, it's important to acknowledge that every saint may have different perspectives on God and spirituality worldwide. Therefore, we shouldn't engage in arguments.

Satlok Ashram

Dear reader, we value your input on our article. It's true that various gurus around the world hold different beliefs about God and spirituality. However, the ultimate question is: what is the truth? Our scriptures, bestowed upon us by the divine, serve as guides to the true path of spirituality. Rather than blindly following any guru, we should refer to our scriptures for guidance. If a saint's teachings align with our scriptures, they are considered correct; otherwise, they are deemed to mislead society. This is the message Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj conveys by aligning teachings with our scriptures. Understanding our scriptures through spiritual discourses by Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj and reading Gyan Ganga is recommended for further clarity.